Discussion in 'FM1 Drifting & Gymkhana' started by $lidewayz, Apr 16, 2007.
what is oversteer and what is understeer??
also whats better to tune for over or under???
over steer is when the rear tires loose their traction and the car begins to rotate around the front tires. understeer is when the cars front tires loose traction and the car begins to go straight.
when you are drifting, if you tune for understeer, it will be harder to start a drift, but the car will be more stable during the drift. However, if you tune for oversteer, it will be easier to start a drift but the car will be a little less stable during the drift and will require more working of the steering wheel
Understeer is when a car doesnt wanna turn causing the front wheels to keep moving in a more straight line trajectory.
Oversteer is when the rear tires track towards the outside of a turn, simply put the rear slides every time you enter a corner.
The easiest way I think of solving this in Forza is by messing with the roll bars. A stiff roll bar up front will cause understeer and a stiff roll bar in the rear causes oversteer. In racing I usually have both around 20 or so and have the front alittle more making the car understeer enough so it doesnt slide the back resulting in a slower time, in drifting I put bath at max so it slides easier.
An extremely simple description of over steer vs. under steer:
Right hand turn (going north):
\ under steer (front end goes towards the outside of the corner)
/ over steer (front end goes towrds the inside of the corner)
More negative camber and high horsepower makes for good oversteer.
oversteer - the rear slides more than the front during a turn
understeer - the front slide more than the rear during a turn
thx i asked coz i know about under and oversteer but i dont know what is what and what does what.... i only knew sumthing about under was not enuf steering or sumthing and over was prolly two much....
i watched drift bible and he said sumthing about mr2 oversteering and s13 understeering and that s14 was a good balance....
I actually prefer oversteer in my style of drifting. That's just me.
Does this help?
yeah i guess
Above your picture you see the oversteer. If u Know how to Use understeer and over power it, You can get some good Drifts consistently.
what do you do when you Understeer? Pull the E=Brake
What do you do when you Oversteer? Pull the E=Brake
Oversteer = ass-happy
Understeer = Turning a pig (try driving the Eclipse GTS.)
Proper suspension settings will do wonders for cars with lots of under/oversteer. Just have to know how to tune. Adjusting diff settings is preety easy. 100% = Lock diff while 0% = open diff. Lower diff settings will allow the outer tire to spin faster more often thus making the car grip more.
Now see in the figure where the Car is oversteering. Theres a limit to how much oversteer you want. You can just have oversteer and work wonders.. you need a mix of both.
The perfect balance to a car. You have to ensure that you feel the balance when your making a setup to a car. too much understeer and the figure with the blue tire, You'll Slide out the corner.
As oppose with the Red Tired Figure to much oversteer you'll shoot into the corner.. and spinout.
IMO, Undesteer is a little bit more helpful when your oversteering so use a bit more of understeer than oversteer.
If you can set the car right, You will be able to have a fast,controllable drifter.
Again as I tell many people on this site. If u need my help you can find me
yeah thx i would ask for ur help but i dont have xbox live lol iam stuck with xlink
and lol yay now 2 members from BLKJ have helped me lol first ghost now u
so my guess is helping is easyer and or funer.. then being a snob LOL like a few other ppl in forza central.... no iam not talking about ppl being snobs to me iam talking about theres a fair few forums here with snobby ppl...
THANKS RY TAK OR IS IT TAK FUJI?....AND GHOSTFACETRON/GH0STFACETR0N
AND THANK YOU TO ALL THE OTHER PPL THAT POSTED IN THIS THREAD U TOOK THE TIME TO LOOK AT IT AND HELP MAYBE ONE DAY I CAN HELP U ALL SUM HOW....
Ryuske Or Tak.
Tak, will do Since everyone calls me that.
No problem dude. id help you on KAI, But I dont wanna go thru all the deleting forza files and crap I like my Profile as is.
hehe. If u need a drift setting PM me. Ill shoot one your way
thx and umm one thing on the drift bible he says the mr2 is oversteer can that be balanced by adding as much understeer as there is oversteer???
Can I ask you for a help with the 240sx in a PM? :roll:
I couldn't make a setup when I swapped the 26RB in it with full upgrades.
Could you please?
THANKS TO ALL THE POSTS I QUOTED I MADE THIS
if all or sum of u could test it and give feed back...
Hope you liked the setup. any further Help. you know where to find me. AIGHT!?
Take care and Keep Drifting
and the nsx setup in my last post ... isnt the one u made its my OLD ONE lol thx to ur one
WOW i have both!!!!!This sucks
Everyone has both...
no i mean in a turn...like ill get overundersteer.....well i guess its cause i messed up the setup too much.....whatever.....ill check with my stuff and kee3p on trying to change till i likey likey to driftey driftey the correct way....
Whats your Gamertag?
Where in Texas are you located..
I have a house In Keller Im gonna go visit my dad as an Accident has occured to him.
Again, if u need help dont hesitate to ask for it. Like uve seen above ive helped slideways.
he has helped alot but... just call me ender lol so not to mix me and slidewayz up
Aight, Thanks Ender. Call me C.Los, Or charlie... Or uhh Mr.Lau.. lol. whatever you want.. hehe. Id go on Xlink like i said but i dont feel like deleting my pro
u have a 360 right? what about a normal xbox?...
and idunno ender is only meh nick... so not sure if i should call u tak,charlie,mr.lau,c.los,ry ect....
Lol.. call me what you feel like calling me.. respect isnt an issue for me. so u can call me by my first name
And I dont have a normal Xbox.
I have 3, 360s but in different locations one in guatemala, --- Where I am ---
1, In Texas-- No longer functional, Because 2 burglars got in my house and my dad tried to fight them off, so he shot 1 of them, and the other got away, but in that process. He hit the xbox dead center So im gonna get him an elite.
and 1 In Los Angeles,California.--> More like Burbank where i use to live
damn lol u could do what ghost is doin.. useing his normal xbox for xbl in ur case ur 360 for xbl and then he uses his 360 for xlink.....
Lol. True but seeing as how here in guatemala....360 is like having a Damn ferrari.
haha. A normal Xbox here is expensive enough.
heres a picture of the shot Xbox.
looks just as in working order as ur car XD any check out meh car in the car pic thread its the ownage lol
well if i had a gamer tag i wouldve already made a post like please help me drift ..be my master.....but of course i dont have one and like my xbox does work its that i have like 10 30 day trial things with like no cord long enough and i dont want to buy a wireless modem thingy just to go live....and i live in Htown
Dont go wireless.--
A 100 Ft Cable Of Cad5/Rj45 is like $15.00 No big deal.
H-Town huh, I was planning to buy a house down in Baytown.
HOuston....how do you not know where htown is?????