So I thought i'd post a general thread for hot laps: tracks you like, cars you like, bragging, complaining etc. So my first post is to say that R1 on Positano is actually pretty fun. I remember the races in the fast cars on there being a bitch on Forza 3 but just lapping is actually pretty fun. I managed a 57.069 in the Muscle Milk Aston (stock) which is good for 20th (only 1800 people on the leaderboard at the minute though so that will soon tumble.) Still a second behind Fyrebyrd though. Also ive just noticed the guy on top is 2.5 seconds faster than second place and he isnt even using the clutch! By the way nice lap on Le Mans Koppie. I hope this is a sign that the older cars are indeed competitive in R1 class now. Certainly more variation on the leaderboards this time around. Also mods, I dont know if this would be more appropriate in one of the sub forums so if you believe it is, feel free to move it.
I love hot lapping, but can't do it with a wheel, it's just too difficult/twitchy. Mclaren F1, MP4-12C, NSX '92 - all undriveable, with or without traction control and stability control. RWD road cars just can't be driven fast - race cars are different, which makes little sense. I think sorting out these weird wheel settings issues/counter steer weirdness might help but it seems to me it's all about the controller for fast times, generally. Its also a pain to use the clutch and basically that means 1 second per lap gone, which is ridiculous. Best hotlap event I've tried so far is that LMP2 (or maybe LMP1-and-a-half) Chevy on Road Atlanta - absolutely brilliant with a wheel
See Hotlap has always been my favorite play mode in Forza, hands down. I pretty much just go and drive cars, I don't care about winning or losing or whether or not I hit a cone or went off-track. I just like driving the cars. I'll tell you two things I'm REALLY glad they did with FM4: 1.) I'm happy they didn't put any stupid challenges to unlock cars for use in Free Race mode at the start, I always hated grinding those and they always put you with stupid opponents that you can beat in one try anyway. The exact opposite of fun. It gives me more of a "world-is-my-oyster" feeling to scroll through the massive expanse of cars and know that I can just hop in any one of them and go driving. 2.) I'm SUPER happy they modified the environments for Hotlap to make it look more like a real trackday; the "full" grandstands always used to annoy the crap out of me when I hotlapped in FM3. Who's gonna sell 100,000 tickets just to watch me putt-putt around in a Saab? "I'm glad that boring ALMS race is over, THIS is the guy I wanted to see!"
I'm trying to go through and run banker laps now, still only in my 3rd season in career...but I can't be bothered with that. Hellbringer sent me a nice F333 last night, so I'm going through the whole of X class with that, whether it's quick or not. I still love that car, surprisingly I'm yet to take it on Fujimi...actually I haven't been on Fujimi at all, WTF!
F333SP is hands down one of the very finest cars and by far favourite car in the game. I sounded rather negative lol. Fwd and 4wd hotlapping is great. Love the s4 @ hockenheim. I think this is where rivals mode excels. Its the best part of the game. Hope it gets updated every week...forever and ever.
Sorry about that, I must admit I got a little bit excited the other day Normally I buckle under pressure when it comes to hotlapping so instead of doing it from the leaderboards I'll set up a half hour private lobby instead and set the winning condition as the fastest lap wins - this way I can relax a bit more and get some credits out of it. I've recently done some mega laps whilst tuning that don't even get recorded to the boards and that annoys me because the perfect lap is a rare thing and for it not to be recognised is very frustrating. As pleased as I am of my Le Mans lap I'm more so with my 7th at Hockenheim National in the same car, a completely different tune for a completely different kind of circuit and its more enjoyable when you look up your time after to see that the majority of people around you are using TCS and ABS and your not.
Try the 905C... seems like the fastest R1 car of all the ones I've tried. At least on the specific tracks I have tried it on. Hard to tell because I'm not convinced anyone has run a really good time yet though. Not sure about a track like LeMans though.
Yeah its early days yet, im sure certain cars will become leaderboard cars eventually but for now there seems to be a good spread and at least the older cars do seem to be able to compete rather than it just being 908s, Acuras, R10/15s etc.
There is currently an R1 Veyron SS holding 4th at Le Mans/Old Mulsanne - that just seems wrong to me and I wish that they'd brought back the U Class for models that aren't full on racecars.
Hotlapping rocks, but rivals takes it to a whole new level, I really wish that rivals mode was available for every single combo available in FM4
+1 X class seems kind of useless... It's just R1 with a slight bit more horsepower... Very pointless.
Nobody on my friends list has even spun a lap in X class yet and long may it continue. Last night I picked up a Nissan R390 GT1 for a snip on the auction house (500k) and decided to see what it could do around the Motegi Full circuit in its upgraded but default tune form. After a few laps I got a 1:50.594 which was good for just outside the top 50. So that encouraged me to start tuning and after about 20 laps in test drive ten another 15 in hotlapping I managed to achieve a 1:49.526 which is currently 27th fastest on the leaderboard I'm pretty happy with that especially when you consider its the highest for that car and the only other person above me that didn't use TCS was the dude in 26th. Tune is on my storefront just waiting for you insanely quick guys to stick it in the top 10.
Hah, I wish I was that quick. I prefer stock cars with stock tuning myself, always seemed to be a bit better in that aspect, particularly since I didn't have to rely on tuning. :lol:
BS - I've seen some of your times in the top 100 Don't think I've ever owned a car in X in any Forza game, let alone driven one! +1 a million times over for rivals mode being the best EVER form of hotlapping. The fact that even if you fall short and run 20 laps you still get a great payout makes it worthwhile, especially if you're as **** as me and endlessly follow Danowat, Wayche, Koppie and whoever else's ghosts round and round....and round s'more
Im looking forward to hotlapping some more when I get back. I think I may aim for a time on every track in every class for the first time ever in a Forza game. And yes rivals mode is awesome. Will have to spend more time with that too in the near future.
Better wave goodbye to your social life then. :bwave: I have another to share with you fella's, after picking up a dirt cheap Panoz LMP-01 in the auction house this morning I got straight into tuning it at Sebring Short. In upgraded form with a stock tune I was running 1:02.2's but with some serious alterations and lengthy testing I peaked at 1:00.292 in test drive mode. In a 20 lap private race I went marginally slower with a 1:00.373 which is still good for 33rd on the leaderboard and not only is it the highest placed position for that car but I'm actually the top ranked person to have not used assists so there could be as much as a whole second to be gained for TCS users - tune is in the usual place.
I am having so much trouble with slowing down on turns without a straight prior to them. I just cannot run good laps at the rivals events on Suzuka because of turn 1, if I change gear anywhere in that section, it leads to a massive slide which I cannot correct and I cannot stop it. The same thing happens at the 4WD one (Open time attack) on Hockenheim (Short version) where you have a fast left which leads to a double right, running the 4WD cars there I get the same thing and it doesnt matter what drivetrain at Suzuka, it's just chaos every time. Hockenheim is not quite so profound, I have taken the turn well a couple of times only to stuff it elsewhere I think I'm still really clumsy with my feet, particularly the left one - but even so, it's getting no easy with practice and it's doing my ****ing head in because I lose ice ages of time by pointing in the wrong direction on those turns. The other events Im having a hard time with is the 458 at Mugello club - it just won't put any power down, particularly the last turn, it takes like 2 seconds before I can actually start accelerating - and the Mustang at Laguna Seca - braking for the corkscrew I seem to be unable to get over to the right of the track, it always spears me left slightly right into the apex, but facing the tyres (not exactly good) Who can teach me how to drive with a wheel? lol
Do you trail brake? Its a result (IMO) of the new physics, in particular the weight transfer, its more noticable in mid engined cars, but all cars show it, its especially noticable on corners like the first corner on the top gear track. Couple of things you can do, trail brake, if you can't do that, try only braking in a straight line, and trying to shift down before you start turning in.
I tend to come off the throttle completely, but not for any reason, it just seems to be what I end up doing most often - I think I often approach corners far too fast and try to brake very late, with no throttle applied and then there's nowhere else to go but slide around, I feel like I'll just go too slow otherwise. it seems to work ok if I dont change gear until i want to accelerate out of a turn, but frankly, that's pretty crap, as Ill get no exit speed by changing gear when i should be powering out
Are you coming off the throttle quickly?, think about weight transfer, you don't want all the weight transfering to the front of the car too quickly as it just unloads the rear wheels which, especially when turning and shifting can really unsettle the car. Try sacrificing a bit of entry speed for a good exit speed, and also try to maintain a neutral balance on apex, I am not, or never will be the fastest driver on FM4, but I've come from LFS, iR and Netkar, so I've learnt a bit from them (plus some real world track experiance)
I'm loving the Rivals mode for hotlapping, my current favourite is the stock car on the NASCAR variation of Infineon.
Tried the Nordschleife for the first time earlier...was avoiding it because I thought it would be difficult to control as I'm still getting used to the steering wheel, but it was actually fine to hammer round - I felt really in control with the wheel even when at high speed on those super narrow fast sections... was still fairly cautious but only made 2 or 3 proper mistakes. The Zonda R is just awesome at eating the turns and it felt superb. I feel like I know the track pretty well from endless GT5 laps but this felt far better than any of those. Incredible, definitely my favourite in-game version of the track visually and one of the best experiences I've had on the game
i got a not so cheap panoz on the auction house earlier. upgraded it to 998. It sure has some straight line speed, but i was having trouble with turn in to corners, so i will pick up your tune and give it a go
I love a bit of hot lapping. Altought I've been enjoying point to point too, If you're bored try: Lotus 2 Eleven on Fujimi Kaido Stage A Good fun.
Fixed it for you! Lost count of the amount of times I've raged after getting an invalidation on the final chicane grrrrrr
I think I finally cracked the Dark Dog Saleen S7R last night, I spent hours tuning it to try to overcome the legendary snap oversteer that has affected it in the last couple of games. I think it was caused by a combination of extreme settings in the default tune that usually work on every other car in stock mode but when applied to this car it just goes bonkers. So instead of giving away the secret of my tune all I'll say is that I got a 1:23.121 at Hockenheim National which landed me 58th on the leaderboard, only 9 other people above me didn't use TCS... whats with that anyway? I thought clan racers were always harping on about using no assists but even the fastest people in the world are now using it. Anyway back on track, it's probably the highest S7R on any LB. The tune is on my storefront for just 10k along with the replay that I set my best time with [lap 8] - you'll notice that I didn't have any major incidents in the whole 10 lap race. So anyone that does rely on assists could probably stick it well into the top 40 or so. To prove it CAN do tight twisty and bumpy circuits I chose the Mini Camino Viejo layout, on a track that's dominated by Furai's, Super GT and DTM cars I still managed to stick it into 177th with a 21.130. Obviously it's not meant for that track but it's just a demonstration that the handling is much improved. Please check it out and rate, if not the tune then the replay at least.
When I managed the 9th best time on Rally di Positano Stage C C class track attack from the last game, the VVV stats site was telling me I was first on the no assists leaderboard cos everyone else was using the racing line. So assists have been in use for a while now by the top racers. I can understand using the racing line to learn the track (though I dont use it personally) but surely after you've learned the track you can get your braking spots from landmarks on the track rather than the line. Anyway congrats on taming the Saleen. Will pick up your tune at some point as I dont think ive raced an S7R since FM1.
If I can find an S7R on the AH for a cheap price (Ahh, I'll buy it at a cheap price!) I'll buy it and rate it and then fail to beat you on those circuits, I fancy trying something new and boy do I hate that car so it'll be something different to try Assists - I don't think you can be as fast without TCS these days unless you're very patient and very precise. I would imagine that the patience factor is outweighed by "I must be at the top ASAP" for the clan folk. If you can get an advantage, use it to get higher. I still use TCS - not used to the wheel enough but I think I still will even after I CAN run without it because it's less frustrating. Forza desperately needs a GT5 style of TCS adjustment, I think you should be able to level it in %, or even 1-10 rather than "on" or "off" - I think this would yield so much more in terms of different ways to race and set the car up. It is what it is though - I am in the camp of "I'll take any advantage I can get" though and braking line/TCS is about my baseline
following lots of races with everyone from koppies club where i was the only one using abs, i have now dropped it down to breaking line only. In lower class's my times are similar to what they were before, in the r classes the car is either spinning the back wheel or locking the front, but trying to get that balance.
I believe it's faster to use TCS in the higher classes. I don't use TCS on anything in A and lower...but if It's a high class, rwd and powerful then TCS is a must. If I'm racing then I may not use TCS but I do If I'm hotlapping. I also use the Braking line....I say use it, really it's just on. Most of the time I never see the line go 'Green', it's constantly red/orange/yellow. Forza is a weird one for me, I use my wheel and no assists on every other racing game apart from Forza, Which I use the pad and sometimes TCS.
Yep - in GT5 I run with ABS on and that is it, with the wheel - I've not spent a huge amount of time on it but have raced at Spa in powerful RWD cars and you just don't need it. Forza is certainly unforgiving and some might say more realistic in the sense that it's tougher, traction-wise, than most games. What I need to start doing is NOT use it in world tour mode, where it doesnt really matter as I'm going to get smashed up by the AI anyway - when hotlapping and I need as much traction as I can get I'll perhaps turn it on but it can't harm to understand where the grip is. Speaking of which - I raced Camino earlier in world tour, got a bit of a lead on lap 1 in an F50 and wondered what sort of lap time it COULD do, so on lap 2 I went for it.... went for it a bit too much really. [video=youtube;UJgweljlwgs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJgweljlwgs[/video] I still won - by about 9 tenths of a second, but initially I called myself a total **** until it popped up and showed "1st"
LOL you got really lucky there :lol: I suppose I have those guys to thank really for making me run without assists all the time, whenever they host a lobby everything is forced off so no-one gets an advantage - I should suggest to them about turning off the racing/braking line sooner or later then there really would be a level playing field for everyone involved.
might be a plan, but with constant jumping of cars/tracks its nice to have some sort of indicator, even if it is always wrong
I picked up an S7R off the auction house for 469,000 earlier so I will try it with and without your tune later today Koppie. And lol at Millross. Ive never managed to crash into a pit entry before but I have won a race after spinning out right next to the line and having second place ram me over the line. Cant remember which track or even which game it was on though.
